Heya Tim, it has been a little while since we last spoke, how are you doing? I'm now getting very excited about seeing Minas Morgul in the game! i presume that we will beens it in the new poll! but i am thrilled by that news! i have even done a theory on it :) of course i have, my motto is new news new theory :) just i have the problem of not got many people viewing it. i'm thinking of whether to move it to another blog website or just do the odd blog post on the wikia like i sorta did before hand....Hope to hear from you soon! - Agunduir
Hello Agunduir, on this moment, I'm doing well. Sorry that I did let you wait for so long, I didn't know anymore how I had to approach you.
Yes, even the fact that Minas Morgul is outside the boundary of Mordor, it's a good thing if that location is in de game indeed. Perhaps as a bonus location, and that you can fight and even can kill the Nine Nazgûl there, and that you can take the Rings of Power from every Nazgûl that you killed, with Khamûl as the second last Nazgûl who you can meet there, and the Witch-king of Angmar as the last one. And after killing all the Nine Nazgûl, it will be possible to free the fortress from the curse, and then the fortress is Minas Ithil again. What do you think Agunduir?
freeing the fortress from the curse sounds like a good idea! kill them first free the place later :) I JUST HAD A AWESOME IDEA! turn Possibilities for Results into a youtube channel! Not talking but slides! could become quite popular!
I am glad that you say that, and I have think about what is need to unlock Minas Morgul and some more details. Perhaps, I tell you that here on Saturday. Is that alright?
About your idea by changing your website, Shadow of Mordor: Possibilities for Results, it's not an bad idea. After all, images do telling more then words. You can even do it in combination of videos and words, just the thing that is most fine for you. I hope that whatever you choose to change Shadow of Mordor: Possibilities for Results, that it will help you to make it popular. Good luck with that, Agunduir.
I still know your Prolgoue theory, Agunduir, I am convinced that indeed most of the details of your theory can come in the game. When Jorge come with the news that we can contact the developers, it can are one theories that you share with them. Perhaps that theory will give them inspiration.
I did mean the Saturday or the Sunday of this week. I know it's Liberation Day today. But I didn't expect that you I would misunderstand me because this bank holiday, sorry for that. You can peaceful think about Saturday or Sunday in this week, if it convenient for you of course.
Hello Agunduir, I think that I know now when I can. But I am not sure whether the days will are fine for you. The week that start tomorrow, I can only in the evening of Monday, Tuesday or Wednesday. The rest of that week I and my parents are full with appointments.
I'm sorry for that, Agunduir, but it has already been decided by my parents. Otherwise, we have to waiting for week after that week. I can't settle it better by now. I hope that it's alright, I am curious for your ideas for Mount Doom, Barad-dur and Minas Morgul.
I have the evening of that Monday a lesson for playing piano, I was forgot that for a little time. So, that evening can are hard for planning.
I fully understand that you have other things that have been planned before i mentioned it which is fine. Perhaps maybe we could try Tuesday or Wednesday evening but if not then save it for the following week after that.
I have think about it. Maybe it's the best idea if we wait until somewhere in the next week, then we are more sure that choose a moment where we both peaceful can start with your topic, and we have more time for preparing. Are you agree, Agunduir?
Hello Agunduir, I have time in the evening of this Saturday. I can't this Sunday, because I go with my parents to a family reunion that day. Can you this Saturday too? If you can't that day, then maybe we can take the evening of this Friday, as an alternative for this week. You can decide it, this Friday or this Saturday.
Hello Agunduir, did you choose Friday? And if you did, shall we start on then on the standard time, 7:00 p.m. (19:00 in my country), or another time? Sorry if I am came late with this. Anyway, I will do my best to are on the Live! Chat when the time has come for your topic.
You didn't come today. When you are back here, I hope that you have a good reason that you didn't come. Anyway, you are so late now, I think that we can't start further with your topic today anymore. I hope there will be a new chance this Monday. When you are back here, please tell me why you didn't come to the Live! Chat.
I'm Jorge from Wikia's Community Development team. Thanks to our partnership with Monolith, we've got an upcoming opportunity with Shadow of Mordor I thought you might be interested. Some time in mid-may, we'll be doing a virtual event with some Monolith folks and we would love to invite you to participate.
It should only take a couple of hours over a few days and we can work with your schedule. During the event, you'll be able to check out some behind-the-scenes content related to Shadow of Mordor, and we'd love to have some experts attend the event. If this sounds like something you're interested in, let me know via email (email@example.com) and I'll add you to our list and get in touch with more information as soon as it's available!
All the best,
Jorge (profile)•(talk) 21:44, April 18, 2014 (UTC)
Heya Tim, Agunduir speaking i have a proposal for you, you can say yes or no i do not mind. I have thought of a brilliant idea, i am going to start up a Gaming Theories Blog in which i state theories on games i am looking foward to...
I'm going to set it up on a website called Blogger! now the part where u come in. You are so so very good at making theories and predictions and i was wondering if you would consider joining me and co run it! Now like i say i'm not going to force you into it but i will really appreciate it if you consider :)
Of course, I am interested, we both would like to have impact for the final result of Middle-earth: Shadow of Mordor. When the website is ready, then you can give me a link. If it is a special link, tell me that first, and I will find a way to give you my e-mail address, a way that only you can read it. Is that alright?
Hey Tim its Agunduir, i had a idea, i think its quite a good idea want to know what you think. So i know you have lots of predictions about endings and different ways that the game could end and i have quite a lot of theories about different things (customization,character appearances, locations etc) and it seems a bit odd of keep posting forum posts about these so i was thinking about like a sort of thing where like we state predictions/theories like a Theory of the Day of Theory of the Week sort of thing...so like it will give something for people to want to come back each day to the wiki and post their views on them too, im not saying that we don't already with different topics but its just a idea. Or a possible link to a part of the wiki called Shadow of Mordor Predictions and Theories sort of thing, so then you can find each on a different part of the game instead of always going through all the forums to find it...what do you think???
I will surely consider it. But for now, I have a own plan how I will give a presentation for all the four endings that I have conceived. I think that I will start with that, somewhere tomorrow. Later, we shall see what we will do. Is that okay?
We're currently looking to appoint one or two administrators (also knows as sysops) for the wikia who are willing to keep an eye on the recent changes and forums, and help us keep the wikia clean by, for instance, deleting spam and reverting vandalism. Considering your great edits I think you'd be a great fit for this role. Would you be interested in helping out the wikia as an administrator?
That would be an honor for me, Mark. And if I do something wrong, then just tell me that. I become with pleasure your assistant, or at least one of your assistants. That is just a way how I like to see it, it don't change your offer. I am autistic, but I hope that it will don't matter you. So, I say yes. I will do my best to don't disappoint you, Mark.
Hey Tim - you shouldn't consider yourself my "assistant". As an administrator you're fully independent. Also, it's absolutely no issue that you're autistic - it doesn't change who you are or what you do.
Thank you that you say that, Mark. That gives me a good feeling. And thank you for this position as an administrator. You have my word, I will do my best to don't disappoint you. I look forward for our further cooperation. Thank you again for this chance, Mark.
The Nemeses pages (i.e. Gorfel Jaws) do not need both the "Characters" and "Enemies" category. It does not need the "Characters" category as we do not classify Uruk enemies as characters. The "Enemies" category does not apply as we're adding the "Nemeses" category, which is a sub-category of the "Enemies" category.
Hello Mark, in my opinion, the Nemeses needed that two categories because they all will be both main characters and enemies in the game. And regarding Uruks, there a confusion about Orcs and Uruks on this Wiki. It's not right that de monstrous minions of Sauron are Uruks and they are also as known Orcs. It are just Orcs, and Uruks are a race of Orcs, a stronger race of Orcs. You have Uruk-hai, created by Saruman, and you have Black Uruks, a elite race of Orcs who working for Sauron. Even the Nemeses are Orcs, at least most of them, they have all their own personality and their own role in the game, all as main enemies. So, they are both main characters and enemies in the game.
The Uruks are enemies and do not belong in the Character category. If we look at other wikias, we'll see that most wikias (1, 2, 3) do not list their enemies that aren't or weren't human in their characters category, even when they're antagonists in the game. I'd rather sort these Nemeses under "Creatures" than "Characters".
As for the Uruks, I'd recommend watching this video, as it explains things well. As the Orcs are referred to as Uruks in-game, we'll also refer to them as Uruks on the wikia.
They did only talk about Uruks on the end of that video. Other moments, they did talk about Orcs.
I have today in meantime learned that Nemeses is misspelled here. The correct spelling is Nemesis.
In Middle-earth there are more characters from races that are not really human: Elves, Dwarves, Hobbits, Ents, Maiar, Orcs, Goblins, Trolls, Dragons etc. It seems to me that the Nemesis does count enough as characters.
The video details what exactly Uruks are. And, like I said, Orcs are referred to as Uruks in-game, and that's why we will also use the term Uruks on the wikia.
Nemeses is the plural of Nemesis. One nemesis, two nemeses.
Elves, Dwarves, Hobbits, Maiar and Ainur are sufficiently humanoid to be considered characters. Uruks aren't. As such, we will not be using the "Characters" category on Uruk pages as it really wouldn't make sense in the category tree. We need to keep a certain level of consistency in our categorization, and if we were to include the nemeses in the Characters category it'd just become too much of a mess. I understand where you're coming from, but from a categorization point of view we're better off not adding them to that category.
On that note, I've added the Nemeses category to the Characters category. Like I said, I do see where you're coming from in terms of Nemeses being characters, so it would indeed make sense to have the Nemeses category also be a sub-category of characters.
So there's no need to re-add the "Enemies"/"Characters" category to the separate pages, as a nemesis is now marked as an enemy and character due to their nemeses category.
Is that so? I didn't know that. But what about Gollum and the Wraith? The One Ring did distorted Sméagol so much that was no longer a Hobbit for real. And the Wraith is an undead now, no longer humanoid for real. I am not sure how far Sauron is still a Maiar, he is goin so far in the darkness, like Melkor/Morgoth. And the first Orcs in Middle-earth were Elves, mutated by Melkor/Morgoth.
If the Orcs are referred to as Uruks in the game, why I read then in the image of Brogg the Twin "Stewing in his hatred agains a fellow orc"?
Nemeses is the plural of Nemesis? I notice that some English plural are quite confusing, at least for me as a Dutchman.
Point taken: I probably should've explained myself more clearly. My apologies for that. But still, we simply can not classify every enemy as a character for organizational purposes. We want to reserve the character category for characters in the game that play an important part in the story. These characters, the ones that play an integral part of the story, will be given the category. If they don't, we'll just stick with the Nemeses category. Considering how Monolith/Warner Bros. described the Nemeses there could be hundreds of them in the game, and if we'd give them all the Character category it would become a huge mess where we couldn't distinguish the important characters (Talion, Sauron) from the Uruks.
As for your second point: Warner Bros. asked us to refer to Uruks as Orcs on the wikia, so that's what we'll stick with.
And yes it is :). I happen to be Dutch as well actually, so I can see how it's confusing :).
From that point, I had not seen before that there can come so much Nemeses.
Did Monolith/Warner Bros. really ask that? Then I think that they not yet know all the facts about Orcs. If they learn the facts that I have told you, then they perhaps will changed their mind. If the Orcs are really referred as Uruks in the game, then I can see a lot of confusion by the fans of the book, movie and game series.
I already knew that you are Dutch, too. I have seen that in your user page. I did only think, its not customary to speak Dutch in a English Wiki.
I have accepted now the way that you have proposed about the Nemeses on this Wiki, Mark. Only, it still bothering me about Orcs and Uruks on this Wiki. In both the Middle-earth books, movies and all video games that I know, there are Uruks a stronger and larger race of Orcs, all the Uruks are Orcs, but not all the Orcs are Uruks. I want to ask you to talk with Monolith/Warner Bros., perhaps they will changed their mind. If they do not, it would be difficult for me in first, but then I could going to accept it. Thank you for now, Mark.
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